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Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:21:00 - [1] Originally by: oilio This sucks. I am cancelling both subscriptions right now (or would be, if I could get to my account details - seems to have seized up). ... Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:29:00 - [2] Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: oilio This sucks. I am cancelling both subscriptions right now (or would be, if I could get to my account details - seems to have seized up). ... Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. actually you are wrong. There is no change in the database footprint since they don't delete unsubbed accounts, nor do they delete the assets of those characters. So in reality, beside the forum pollution, nothing is gained on the performance side of the database by people quiting over this.. well I mean other then the fact that lost revenue from people quiting might make them have to fire a database engineer or two.. Database accessing is the important part here. Leaner and meaner CCP. I like it. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:43:00 - [3] Originally by: oilio Originally by: Soma Khan Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. Hmm... troll. You don't seem to understand what the issue is here. The issue of ghost-training is secondary. The issue is dropping a significant (and negative) change in the service onto people, and initially making out that it's for "balance" and "fairness" - which is patently garbage - followed by censorship of the forums when customers complain that the service is now not as good as it was. If you don't think that CUSTOMERS should complain when the service is degraded, then fair enough - seems stupid to me, but whatever... ...except you probably do understand, but enjoy trolling to see if you can get a rise out of the angry customers who are posting here. Yeah, God forbid you actually have to pay money for services rendered. You don't like the service? Leave. Your access to these forums is a privilege, NOT a right. This privilege can be revoked by CCP solely at their discretion, as is any kind of censorship they deem prudent. You use this privilege to complain, and I do also to tell you what I think about your reasoning and reaction. Until CCP use their right to lock this thread. What exactly do you find wrong here? ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:58:00 - [4] Originally by: oilio Originally by: Soma Khan What exactly do you find wrong here? Well, I posted disatisfaction towards CCP - NOT YOU - and you responded with this: Originally by: Soma Khan Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. See that? That was your initial response. Looks like a trolling insult, doesn't it? So, there is nothing wrong, except for my trolling (which is a subjective judgment, but so be it). Right? ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:13:00 - [5] Originally by: ISIAM Originally by: Sahara Eternity Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 19:55:00 Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 19:54:18 Originally by: Lallante That may be true, but CCP have never said they didnt want us to use the unintended feature while it was possible to do so. In fact, the implication is they didnt mind us using it. This has absolutely ZERO baring on whether they intended to change it. eXcuse me ... who are you ? You have 8 post in the last 30 posts on this thread ... Are you a CCP official ? If not stop posting and let people tell theyr story, if yes log in your main please. EDIT: You beat me to it, make that 9 posts on 2 pages ... Opps added 1 more ... INDEED. (..) Upset that your arguments fall apart when subjected to reality and logic? Looking for ways to inject more tinfoil-hattery into this thread to cover up the lack of any coherent thoughts from your side? HowÆs this one: CCP hid this thread from the general public out of embarrassment for the kinds of ******s their game attracts. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.19 17:41:00 - [6] Tsk-tsk! Such bitterness over losing a freebie in a computer game! Is there a more convincing way to show that you have no life? Probably not. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.19 20:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Tivookz Originally by: Soma Khan Tsk-tsk! Such bitterness over losing a freebie in a computer game! Is there a more convincing way to show that you have no life? Probably not. Some people don't like being lied to. I guess your girlfriend is free to do whatever she wants considering that statement. Tiv Who lied to you? And what does your girlfriend have to do with this thread? Do you really think this is a good place to vent your personal angst? ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.19 23:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Chani Fedaykin Originally by: Soma Khan [snip]stuff[/snip] Who lied to you? [snip]irrelevant[/snip] did u ever happen to think about the reasons ccp gave for the removal of unpaid training? if you think those are valid, proveable facts - then you should perhaps read some of the posts in this thread and think about it again. if not - you just answered your own question. Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None. After all, playing this game (or even paying for it!) is completely optional, anyone can leave at any time. The fact that CCP is giving you the privilege to vent your angst on their forums is commendable, and is much more than most other commercial enterprises would allow. Another fact is that the reasons that were given are good enough for any reasonable adult. If you feel those reasons are wrong, and there are others much more to your liking, that is your personal problem. Draw your own conclusions and move on. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.20 00:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Ketanina Originally by: Soma Khan Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None. it was a documented feature. big ****up in my book declaring it a bug when convenient. CCP can declare anything they want. Your "book" doesn't count for shit. I know this will be an exercise in futility, but here is a thread with some choice explanations for those who, like you, just can't get on with their lives. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.20 04:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Ketanina Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Ketanina Originally by: Soma Khan Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None. it was a documented feature. big ****up in my book declaring it a bug when convenient. CCP can declare anything they want. Your "book" doesn't count for shit. lol, it counts for me. do you have something productive? Sure. How about you get a job that allows you the means to pay for your own entertainment, instead of leaching it off a company by trying to shame it into charity? ___

Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.21 00:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Richard Aiel funny thing about that.... thats my sig Look at the spot between the 15th and the 17th... theres no peak Yeah right, and there were no DT's between the 15th and 17th either. A fine example of the freeloaders tinfoil-hattery and supposition. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.21 01:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Richard Aiel funny thing about that.... thats my sig Look at the spot between the 15th and the 17th... theres no peak wah wah tinfoil hattery wah wah I commend your decision to be concise. Just looked at the other comments you posted in this thread. Found this, where you decided to expound: Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Procurator Ultio I now actually look forward to news of layoffs at CCP and CCP eventually going out of business. Much as I love Eve, I would give it up forever in a heartbeat as the price to see you *******s punished by going out of business. This. I hope they die off before they sully the name of White Wolf with decisions like this one. Don't you feel even a tiny bit embarrassed to write something like this in a public forum? ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.27 15:58:00 - [13] Edited by: Soma Khan on 27/10/2008 16:00:39 Originally by: OneSock Just downloading Wow and was reading the player guide. Seem like in Wow they treat their casual players with bit of respect: Quote: Most players will be in the Normal experience tier most of the time. The Rested tier is primarily intended for players that take a day or more off from playing or are very casual with their play schedules. This has enabled us to greatly reduce the experience necessary for all players to level regardless of which rest state tier they play under. So CCP talk about fairness, but should learn a less on from Wow. lol?! This thread is getting more and more bizarre.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.27 23:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Miss Kingston Just make a stand guys, don't resub when your subscription runs out, there are plenty of other games and rl stuff that can be done with your money I'd like to second this advice. However, I am afraid that the part about spending "your money" will fall on deaf ears, since that is precisely what most of the complainers in this thread are trying to avoid. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.29 01:33:00 - [15] Originally by: leechers ...apologize to us!!!11... give us free stuffs!11!...moar attention nao!!!111... Simple truth: ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.29 23:16:00 - [16] Originally by: IR Scoutar I WANTS!!!11!! Originally by: Soma Kahn ...trolling.. WoW is -> that way if you want to be a troll So, when you troll a troll in a troll thread, does the troll trolling you have any credibility in complaining about being trolled?? ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Yarax Originally by: lisacurie Another whiner leaving - can I have your stuff? HTFU and earn your own stuff. Or go find a thread for lazy beggers. Irony ITT? Not really. Just another displayed symptom of being in denial. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Yarax Originally by: Soma Khan Just another displayed symptom of being in denial. I'm afraid I don't understand your comment Soma, which may be a consequence of you not understanding my comment. You seem to be saying that I'm in denial about something... ...irrelevant posturing deleted... Edit: And just to stay on-topic, I'm quitting in protest at the Skill-Training-Completion nerf, and the associated BS. I can see that you don't understand. This whole thread is about expressing massive amounts of angst over loosing a computer game freebie. This angst is sometime disguised as indignation at being slighted or given such short notice, however this doesn't change the main gist. Can there be a lower form of begging? I am hard pressed to come up with an example. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Brother Welcome I feel no angst; only disappointment. I'll go ahead and assume you understand how training works, and thus that you understand that what one is paying for with one's subscription is the capability to enter control inputs. One doesn't pay to set up a toon, that's free with a trial account. One doesn't pay to keep toon data on the database, that happens even if you stop subbing... yes, even now. One doesn't pay to have change occur to database entries, that happens for research and such. The feature that has been removed represents a corporate failure to offer fair value. I and others object to that, and to the corporate failure to deal with us fairly, hence we take the only recourse offered to disappointed customers, which is to take our money elsewhere. -vk This is comedy gold. You signed the EULA, live by it. Furthermore, if you consider freebies an utmostly important quality for your choices in computer games (and the "fair value" they offer), by all means stop playing and go elsewhere. Writing post after inane post lamenting your loss in a public forum demonstrates a much more personal problem. In addition, financially speaking, what CCP may lose as a result of a few emoragequits now, they will gain many times over with the future subscriptions. What they did was a sound business decision. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Squirrrel Edited by: Squirrrel on 06/11/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Soma Khan What they did was a sound business decision. Short-Mid term maybe so. Long term, I don't think so. Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm not here to give lectures on the basics of public relations damage control. What I am mainly commenting on is the apparent conviction of some that having payed once or twice for a computer game is somehow equivalent to receiving some kind of nuptial rights to everything about it. ___

Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 20:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Squirrrel Edited by: Squirrrel on 06/11/2008 20:08:14 Originally by: Soma Khan I'm not here to give lectures on the basics of public relations damage control. Nor qualified I'd wager. Originally by: Soma Khan What I am mainly commenting on is the apparent conviction of some that having payed once or twice for a computer game is somehow equivalent to receiving some kind of nuptial rights to everything about it. I might actually want to hear that lecture though to be honest, it would probably be really funny. You know, people DO realise that CCP can change the content and mechanics of the game as they see fit. It's their game. We know that. However, it's not a game they put out for free. We know this too. We pay for it. And if you don't because you're using GTC, someone else is still paying for it. What people don't tend to like, what customers don't tend tolerate - and what is a great mistake when you want repeat custom - is when they are clearly lied to. Again, the WAY that CCP went about this change, rather than the change itself is largely a key factor. Yes, some people don't like the change itself. They pay, it's their prerogative. If you keep kicking a dog, chances are one day it's going to turn around and bite you. See what I mean, you can't stop. In a relationship this kind of behavior looks very much like 'codependency'. The fact that you refer to yourself as a 'dog being kicked' is also symptomatic. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 20:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Tivookz Edited by: Tivookz on 06/11/2008 20:39:07 Knowing that you Soma Khan have been posting in this thread for a long time I can only assume that you are: A: A complete moron who doesn't have anything else to do irl but type in a thread he doesn't care about since you obviously don't care about ghost training. B: Hired by CCP to act as a troll in order to aggrivate us to give CCP a reason to lock this thread. Tiv That is certainly an interesting description of this thread's denizens. Shows much selfloathing. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.09 01:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Squirrrel ... ---------------------------------------- Doing whatever it takes to keep the thread alive... Why don't y'all discuss the expansion coming on March 10 '09? That'll keep the thread alive for quite some time, no? ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.09 02:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Chani Fedaykin Originally by: Soma Khan stuff seems that you changed your tactics to obviously make posts without a point instead of trying to put no point into an argumentative structure. thanks for the trolling - thats a free bump ^^ Hey, just being friendly! I see the concept is alien to you. Can't say I am surprised. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Jinx Barker You see, when people make general and sweeping statements, it is usually an indicator of either a) lack of forethought, or b) ignorance on the subject of the discussion. Funny you should say that, 'cause once you stop clowning and attempt to present an argument, only one of your sweeping generalizations is qualified with an "IMHO". Well, IMHO, 99% of the statements made by the 'gimmeh back mah freebeh' herd in this thread are exactly the same kind of generalizations you've described. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.13 01:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Chani Fedaykin oh - how amusing ... he is still alive ^^ ... You are easily amused. What is not really amusing is the fact that you are still posting despite the fact that clearly you are not wanted here. You've been relegated to a pariah thread that is rarely looked at, whose life is only contingent on most of your accounts running out, at which time it will sink to the bottom even if the mods forget to lock it. Do you not have any basic pride? What it is is sad. The "supporters" you speak of are too busy enjoying themselves playing the game and/or having a life to be posting "valid reasoning" here for whoever's benefit. You all seem to be suffering under a delusion that anyone cares. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.18 14:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Corbin Swift Well my time is up. I'll be back for 1 or 2 months next year. For anyone that's keeping count, that's gonna cost them $180-$200 next year. (2 accounts). Hey, in 2 years I'll have saved enough for a PS3! \o/ Corbin Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. Oh yeah, and get a real job you bum.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.27 17:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Day Prichard Edited by: Day Prichard on 27/11/2008 16:57:34 Over 5600+ responses and I have yet to see a response on why CCP is treating its customer base like idiots. That certainly is an impressive number of alts. Somehow the voting thread in the Assembly Hall has only 154 votes against fixing the ghost training bug. That's pretty insignificant. Perhaps those of you who can't stop spewing leecher angst here are justified at feeling like idiots? 'Cause the "customer base" is too busy enjoying CCP's product to care. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.27 17:58:00 - [29] Edited by: Soma Khan on 27/11/2008 18:02:35 So all this is just a big wine for an apology that isn't coming? What does this tell about a person who can't stop ,for weeks, asking for an apology for something, even if, for the sake of this argument, an apology is required? ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.27 18:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Spirolore Kane Edited by: Spirolore Kane on 27/11/2008 18:00:10 Originally by: Soma Khan I wasn't talking to you. Same way I don't talk to something that happened to have stuck to the bottom of my shoe. Looking at your previous in this thread it seems you talk enough of whats stuck there anyway. Well, I deleted this statement for this very reason. I do talk to the alts in this thread, which pretty much invalidates my assertion. No biggie. As for my arguments, I have not seen anything that even remotely answers the questions that I posed. All I see is denial and posturing. ___

Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.27 18:50:00 - [31] Originally by: Squirrrel Originally by: Soma Khan As for my arguments, I have not seen anything that even remotely answers the questions that I posed. All I see is denial and posturing. What questions were those? All I've seen it baiting. By all means repost them. If they are valid questions I'm sure someone will respond to them. How about this one posted just a couple of posts ago: What does this tell about a person who can't stop ,for weeks, asking for an apology for something, even if, for the sake of this argument, an apology is required? ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.12.15 22:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Gotrek Gurnisson Edited by: Gotrek Gurnisson on 15/12/2008 19:23:05 Edited by: Gotrek Gurnisson on 15/12/2008 19:21:38 Originally by: Kerfira You're not buying EVE, but renting the use of it. As such, it is plain common sense that when you stop paying, you don't get to use it. Actually I did buy an EVE account. And in fact you still can for Ç19.99 on this site. Its the monthly subscriptions to keep the account active that are the 'rent' part, but the game account is mine until I sell it or CCP withdraws the service altogether This is yet another example of the complete and utter ignorance exhibited by the ghost-training whiners. Reading before signing is not for them. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2009.01.10 19:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Vagel I just came back after a 5 month break. Seeing that one of the features i liked the most is beeing taken away, I dont plan to reactivate when the account runs out again. And why? Because my family and I travel. We travel around 2 months pr year, and during that time I plan ahead, and I used that time to get skills like "battleship level 5" and stuff like that. I reactivated when I came back and I wasnt "5 levels behind" as I would have been in other games. This was what i LOVED about EVE. and no - i plan to let my 20 bill rot before handing out 0.02 isk. Some love the spaceships, some - PvP and the death penalty, others love the player controlled economy and the one server virtual world. For most hardcore EVE players it's all of those things and more. Vagel "LOVES" not having to pay for using a CCP-provided service. Loves it so much it defines this game for him. Different strokes for different folks. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2009.01.12 16:30:00 - [34] Man, with Roto Rooter rooting and breaking his addiction, and Chris Stormrider feeling alienated and doing lvl5's in "wait and see mode", I'm sure someone, somewhere in this cruel world is crying themselves to sleep. Really.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2009.02.10 01:51:00 - [35] Originally by: ViolenTUK Originally by: Makhan Jesus, people actually care enough about this garbage to get this thread to 203 pages months after the change was made? Who cares! People do care thats why there are 203 pages. Do you think CCP is unable to see how many discrete accounts contributed to this "discussion"? ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 19:05:00 - [36] Originally by: ViolenTUK Originally by: 8Z 6 they dont care You might be right. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2009.03.27 00:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Laur Khal EVE's biggest draw to me, as a casual, was that i was not overly penalised for being a casual -- sure i never had much isk, but at least my skills kept pace with others in the game. EVE does not penalize casual gameplay - you pay a relatively nominal fee, you get the service. EVE does penalize freeloaders and character farmers. Originally by: Laur Khal it is hard to see the business sense in this change. Noone in their right mind will continue paying for an account they're not able to play just to keep skills ticking over. So, you don't think it's sane to pay for something you don't use to your satisfaction, yet you think it's sane for a company to continue to provide a service for free. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2009.08.21 14:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Mia Aires Has there EVER been a statment from CCP? Sure. You signed your agreement with that statement when you started playing EVE. It said something like this: "EVE's our game, we can do what we want with it, and you've got no say over this". I happened to think this is a good thing. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Mia Aires WOW, great answer CCP and other didn't ever heard something called CRM or Customoer Relationship Management Clearly, CCP's idea of pleasing their paying customers is to provide a great gaming product. Providing freebies that encourage metagaming and RMT wouldn't be high on any gaming company's priority list. ___
Soma Khan	Posted - 2009.09.30 17:24:00 - [40] Edited by: Soma Khan on 30/09/2009 17:24:53 Originally by: Eniy Oh Edited by: Eniy Oh on 30/09/2009 00:44:38 Die thread, die! I understand people have been whining NOT so much about the fact ghost training was removed, but how. And people saying in here "stop whining about ghost training" just don't get it. Fine. Point made. About a HUNDRED times. And CCP did make several statements about this issue, including an apology from CCP Torfi (sp?) in this topic. CBA to find the specific link, but it's there. It's not CCP's problem if you guys simply can't accept the explanations that have been given to you. That's what actually gives it away: explanations given, apology made, ghost training taken away, tears won't stop. It's pretty obvious the "how could they lie" excuse for moaning is just a fig leaf for the butthurt over losing a freebie. ___

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